But to answer your question specifically, I do get how the changes in society are a shock to men. Women always come away from these relationships emotionally battered. Very valid points, indeed, Ken. Seriously, you don't want to be 58 and lonely. Society has inadvertently produced a new male prototype who has become adept at not putting in the time and effort to pursue a woman who truly interests him---the way men used to do.
. I quit trying about 6 years ago. To answer your question, a gatherer is simply a man who allows the woman to provide for him or to do all the work when it comes to initiating and maintaining relationships. Coffin factory with girlfriend list entertainment, in hopes her's dating site for admission. From what I've seen, you guys are much superior to us guys intellectually, anyway! He is the guy who let's the women come to him.
We then started discussing the subject, and she told me maybe jokingly, maybe not that part of the reason guys pay for girls on dates is to create a debt that can be reciprocated by sex. Nevertheless, it's okay for you not to marry, and it's okay for me to warn women about men who use women. She must learn to appreciate her womanhood and everything that being a woman entails, to include embracing her femininity. Dating and relationships are a mystery to me. Thanks for all the great replies, they have been really thought provoking.
Thank you, Punisher1970, for choosing not to date. I agree that civil discourse is a positive, but I also recognize leading questions when I see them. To me letting a guy pay for my meal when we don't know each other that well would be really uncomfortable. Subsequently, some women may be rather self-centered when they are young. Look out for specific qualities that let you know your time is better spent elsewhere.
The moral taught is if a guy is nice to a girl, a good and moral girl will satisfy him. And shame on men who resent paying child support for their own children. I came out of a 7 year reltionship 3 years ago, and have struggled with the dating scene since. That's because she has a dozen other simps messaging her at the same time. On the other side of the coin, some men just want to be left alone to mind their own business.
Well the reason I usually will just arrange a simple coffee date or something like that is that if she doesn't show up or plans on cancelling like pretty much all the girls I try to date do, at least I won't have wasted a bunch of time money and effort. Back in the days, around 50s, women were romantic. It's almost a little game I have to play to find out if there is any actual thinking going on inside her head. You're young, and most people your age don't know what they want yet. Some of which fell just short of saying outright that he is a rapist. I've gone off on a tangent a bit, Ken. I do not blame him for being so forthright.
So for the most part it isn't worth the effort, unless its somewhat of a sure thing. At this juncture, you are not adding to the conversation. Almost always, she wants love and fidelity as much as you do. Bad behavior is bad behavior, regardless of whether it is perpetrated by men or women. Are they waiting for me to say something? And I do feel for guys who get rejected all the time.
Not acknowledging this fact isn't going to make it better. This woman always responds with hostility on every damn question a man asks. If I would have married her earlier, I would have found out that she is was a repressed lesbian. We live in a world now where women have more opportunities than ever, in everything from commercial products to careers, and yet this is one of the few domains where women still don't want to be treated equally. I have dealt with it these many years by not dealing with it and trying as best I can to ignore it. I've always maintained that men and women are different.
I now have zero desire to get online and look for hookups. While I myself up have never dated, many friends have and I would hear a lot of horror stories. My point is, you have to wade through a lot of shit first. In my opinion, its really only appropriate for guys to pay for a woman if they're married and he is the provider. I'm truly happy that you have your dogs and other interests.
Only then will you be assured of love that will stand the test of time. My relationships start as friendships and develop into more, or not. I think that there are still many guys who prefer the old fashioned courtship as well but they are hard for us to find. I prefer paying my half, and have sometimes paid for the entire thing for them. I've gone off on a tangent a bit, Ken. Consequently, there is a whole lot of friction going on in the world of dating.